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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:13 pm

Once again, the smoke from forest fires has, for days on end, filled our valley.

There have been some really smoky days — and some days when there was hardly any smoke at all.

But through it all, the presence of the smoke was there, to be seen and felt.

For those of us who have breathing problems, it has been a difficult time.

It seems to me that we can learn a lot from this.

For instance, is this what it would be like, living in a valley with a power plant?

Lawrence Gammill


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  • concerned posted at 11:21 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

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    Graffy C. Has no data
    If you don't believe that ask his shrink. Do you think that his lost data is with the studies done by the commissioners on -''HEALTH SAFTY AND WELFARE''??
    Say hi to your shrink Graffy C.
    Question ;
    Has any of the lunch bunch ever seen the stealth studies of either the commissioners or the graffy?? Show proof.

  • Grafx22 posted at 11:16 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Grafx22 Posts: 115


    Have a nice day.

  • concerned posted at 10:49 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

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    It was unbelievable what I saw.
    I just drove past the natural gas puke plant in Mona this morning . It was pre -dawn but there must have been some kind of a natural inversion. You could have cut the puke with a knife it was so thick. It hung close to the ground and you could clearly see it surround the Puke plant for several miles. It was unbelievable what I saw.
    I will NEVER believe a gas puker is either clean or safe.
    Say hi to your shrink Graffy.

  • concerned posted at 9:47 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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    Graffy has no Data
    All he has is a great imagination- quite characteristic of a narcissistic sicko.
    For years we tried to get the county appointed puppets to do studies. That was the last thing they wanted. They pushed it through then wrote on the permit that . 'HEALTH SAFTY AND WELFARE STUDIES HAVE BEEN MADE.'' Ya where are they Graffy? Hmmmmmmm????? The bunch of you couldn't tell the truth if you wanted to.
    Say hi to your shrink graffy.

  • Grafx22 posted at 3:16 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Grafx22 Posts: 115

    Sometimes you are so obtuse thann. I have been out of town and otherwise occupied. Believe it or not, you are not the first thing on my priority list. And I almost never think of you. I’m not out of gas, I’m moving beyond where you have been stuck for 10 years.

    Secondly, this is the last time that I’ll answer a question I’ve already answered. You can keep asking till the cows come home, but no longer will I acknowledge the same old questions.

    As to your question. Sure your group is requesting a health study that has what you want in it. That’s what special interest groups do. What is more perplexing is why you’re asking for it now, when it should have been made to happen BEFORE the permit was issued, and NO, I won’t discuss with you why it did or didn’t get done, or argue the language of the permit with you. Your group failed to get it done. End of story. That’s a dead horse that’s been beat to death. The bottom line is that you and your fellow clean air fanatics didn’t get what you wanted, and it’s your own fault. And don’t tell me you were lied to. I’ve read the documents, meeting minutes, talked to Mr. Costa, and any other person you have mentioned and got the real story. Prove it or be quiet.

    The second perplexing thing is why you are bothering county level officials and demanding a health study from them. It’s out of their hands and they have no say or influence in a state matter. Lobby the DAQ board, if you want something; that’s your last and best chance.

    For myself, instead of waiting around for other people to tell me what will happen and what to think, I cashed in all of the political favors I had and gained access to everything I needed to do my own scientific analysis of the impact the plant would have on Sevier County, including its economy and health, because I’m qualified and trained in how to do it. Therefore, I made of up my own mind, voted, and am secure in the knowledge I have. Citizens who actually care should always find out for themselves.

    And you are NEVER EVER going to see the results. Because you have a big weakness of expecting others to think for you. Call me whatever you want, accuse me of whatever lies you want I’m ignoring this subject from here on out. You’re lazy and uninformed, who’s fault is it that your group dropped the its obligation? That’s a question you’ll have to ask yourselves. I don’t care what your answer is.

    Since I’m not on the permitting committee, the answer that makes most sense is that they didn’t do your kind of study because it isn’t required by law for it be done, nor is it required by law for the DAQ to do it. My advice would be to hire a qualified, independent statistical firm (not some clean air group) and have them use our county’s numbers in the equations and figure it out for you. Throw away all the garbage you’ve gathered over ten years and actually concentrate on Sevier County. Good luck.

    And be prepared to be ignored. I seriously don’t care what you say about me, or my friends, or my data, or even my cat. You will categorically be ignored. Except for the readers of the newspaper, who will continue to laugh at you.

  • concerned posted at 10:22 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

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    Gaffy is out of gas

  • concerned posted at 1:15 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

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    Graffy ( the lunch bunch not a data bank on pollution)
    Just read your earlier post now I know about the ''peach Cobbler.'' Yes Graffy there are a lot of wonderful people who will dine with the lunch bunch. ( I have eaten with them before. They are good people) That being said, just because they are good people does not mean they have accurate information on a puker. No studies specific for the county have ever been done. ( EXCEPT IN YOUR MIND)
    Please respond to my 10:45 post of Thu. ( see below)

  • concerned posted at 1:01 pm on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

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    Peach Cobbler? What are you talking about? I have no clue what you are talking about on that post. Please explain.

  • concerned posted at 10:45 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

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    Well Duh! Of course no studies HAVE EVER been done in Sevier County. YOU MAKE MY POINT EXACTLY. That is why we must go to studies that have been done elsewhere. Even a Do It should be able to figure that out. Goodgreef Graffy the EPA doesn't even have a monitoring station in this area, much less in Sevier County.
    That is why I know that you don't have any data. Nothing but hot air coming from that of a sick mind.
    If we were to use ''MEASURABLE CHARACTERISTICS'' as you put it, from such a confined valley only 8 miles wide with high mountains on three sides and inversions,the results would scare you to death. That is why when John Thompson of the Clean Air Task Force testified at the hearings in Salt Lake on the Nevco Coal puker, He said, that it was the ''WRONG technology ''AND IN THE WRONG PLACE'' Wake up Graffy , the technology has changed but the location HAS NOT!! Yes Graffy the CATF research was no doubt done by modeling. You are the only person in the world who ''USES REAL NUMBERS FROM REAL POWER PLANTS NOT SOME MODELED AND PROJECTED STUDY LIKE THANN USES'' and that information is only in that of a sick mind.
    If pollution is ''HARMFUL'' as you stated below in your post , How much ''HARM'' do you think we should ask the people in Sevier county, and especially the people of Sigurd to endure?? At what Cost?
    That is what The Pres. of SCCAW is asking for- a study -''DONE SPACIFICALLY ON SEVIER COUNTY USING SEVIER COUNTY'S ACTUAL MEASURABLE CHARACTERISTICS. At this point in time EPA doesn't even have a Monitoring station in this county. Only when this has been done can we take the data to make health studies. Until this can be done we must rely on studies done in other places. or data from that of a sick delusional mind of a Do It
    Say hi to your shrink Graffy.

  • Grafx22 posted at 10:28 am on Thu, Sep 20, 2012.

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    Thann . . . how was your peach cobbler? I told everyone to treat you decent, if you dared to show up.

  • Grafx22 posted at 9:25 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    On more question for Thann, that he refuses to acknowledge, let alone answer. How many of your hundreds of studies and research papers were done specifically on Sevier County, using Sevier County's actual measurable characteristics?

    Mine are. That's your difference. I don't pretend to refute anything about New York or Beijing or what might happen there. I'm concerned about my county and that's it. I don't need to refute anything. I need to prove what will happen here. That's it. And I've done that to my satisfaction. If you actually had a study about our valley specifically, I might have something to refute, but you don't. So there's no need. The question has never been whether or not air pollution is harmful, which is where you are stuck. The question that has to be answered is how harmful, and if it is too harmful to risk what a power plant would Sevier County? You've never dealth with that, nor do your studies.

    And yes, I'll tell my male friend of your unnatural obsession about him.

  • Grafx22 posted at 9:18 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    Also for Thann: SSDD. I told you I wouldn't answer the same questions over and over. And yes, I trust my REAL numbers over guesses and modeling any day of the week. It's hard to argue against something that HAS happened and a guess of what MIGHT happen. It's common sense. It's too bad you don't get it.

  • Grafx22 posted at 9:16 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.

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    A Message for Thann: Today the “lunch bunch” is meeting at the court house all day long in the public break room to celebrate the employees monthly birthdays. The employees will bring pot luck to eat. Feel free to drop by and check us out, and have something to eat at my invitation. There is some really good peach cobbler that would make an excellent breakfast. Come see how scary we are.

  • concerned posted at 2:26 pm on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.

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    We is The World Graffy;
    Only you Graffy have been able to do what no human has ever been able to do in all of the history of man kind. You have single handedly been able to refute over 2,000 studies in over 20 different countries. All of this with out even having an air testing station in the valley. All of this with out using modeling and projected studies ('' Like Thann uses'') Graffy will not tell the world how He did this. We are simply to trust the Graffy and his stealth methods of research. His ''numbers come from REAL LIVE POWER PLANTS'' All with in 2 miles of a 183 homes.These real live power plants where Graffy got his numbers are in narrow valleys only 8 miles wide with inversions. These real live power plants have high mountains on three sides. He doesn't tell us where he found these identical plants but we know that he did because HE SAID HE -''GOT HIS NUMBERS FROM REAL LIVE POWER PLANTS.'' Ya gotta love the Graffy C.
    Say hi to your shrink Graffy.

  • concerned posted at 11:47 am on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.

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    We all knew it.
    We all knew that graffy didn't have any data. It was all just a pack of lies. His excuse for not sharing it with the world is that Thann would see it.
    How many of you Do It's thinks Graffy has the health studies? Hmmmmm?
    Graffy needs to spend more time with his friend the shrink.
    Say hi to your shrink Graffy.

  • Grafx22 posted at 10:12 am on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.

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    Yup, you've got to love me. I keep my word.

    thanny, go get a dictionary and look up the word NEVER. I've given you enough info to do the math yourself. That's the only way you're going to get my research.

    Who is the "we" you are talking about when you say we are all waiting? No one but you has demanded my personal research. More lies from Thanny.

    Yes, I'll tell my male friend of your unnatural interest in him. Please keep asking.

    As to the rest. Same Sh*&, different Day.

  • concerned posted at 7:11 pm on Sun, Sep 16, 2012.

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    Still waiting
    Is every one as anxious as I to see Graffy's ''NUMBERS THAT COME FROM REAL LIVE POWER PLANTS Not some ''MODELED AND PROJECTED STUDY''??
    I can't wait to see a power plant that he found placed in a deep valley only 8 miles wide with high mountains on three sides. It must be like Sevier County in that it has inversions, These pukers must also be with-in two miles of at least 183 homes.
    I am sure our friend Graffy will have the same requirements for those power plants as he requires of the Clean Air Task Force ........that is that -quote-'' THEY HAVE STUDIED SEVIER COUNTY AND IT'S UP COMING POWER PLANT ..SPACIFICALLY.''
    Perhaps the Graffy can take us on tour and show us the monitoring stations used in Sevier County. I have had a hard time finding them.I am so anxious to learn what the number of deaths are. The number of heart attacks,asthma attacks,hospital admissions,chronic bronchitis, and ER room visits.
    Perhaps the Graffy will tell us how he counted dead bodies that came from -''REAL LIVE POWER PLANTS NOT SOME MODELED AND PROJECTED STUDY.''
    How long do you think we must WAIT??
    I am sure the graffy is doing the best a Do It can do . These numbers should soon be forthcoming.
    Ya gotta love the Graffy. Say hi to your shrink Graffy.

  • Grafx22 posted at 5:45 pm on Fri, Sep 14, 2012.

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    Thanny, Thanny, Thanny,

    First he screams about my own research that it's a lie,
    Then he screams "Who would want it!!"
    Thenn he is waiting for baited breath for me publish it.

    That's called schizophrenia.

    I remember telling him many times that I will NEVER give it to him.

    yeah, yeah, i'll tell my male friend of his continued interest in him.

  • concerned posted at 11:59 pm on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    How Long Must We Wait??
    How long must we wait for the Graffy publications on his research From ''real live power plants.'' He claims to have made these studies but has NO PROOF .
    It becomes more clear each day,that these lies are nothing more than hot air coming from that of a sick mind.
    Say hi to your shrink Graffy.

  • Grafx22 posted at 10:14 am on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    He shoots, he misses.

    Please find someone that understands English. I won't even try to reply until you do. I didn't realize that words like: real, live, power, plant were so difficult to understand.

    Are you a member of the Clean Air Task force? Have they studied Sevier County and it's upcoming power plant specifically? What authority do you have to speak on their behalf about Sevier County? Thann won't answer these questions because he ignores everything that he's wrong on. That's the only way to know that you've beaten him. If he ignores what you say, it's because he can't refute it. He ignores a lot, I've noticed.

    F for failure of everything. Not making a point, not having proof, citing stuff unrelated to our situation. SSDD.


  • concerned posted at 12:54 am on Thu, Sep 13, 2012.

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    The world anxiously awaits the publication of the -''REAL LIVE POWER PLANTS'' Study conducted by the Graffy. This will refute once and for all such studies as those hundreds published by the Clean air task Force.
    Say hi to your shrink Graffy.

  • Grafx22 posted at 2:51 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    One last thing. There's no need to talk about IPP and Delta. Somebody seems to forget that coal fired power plants are out of bounds.

  • Grafx22 posted at 2:06 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    How truly sad when a very ill man, lashes out with lies and accusations against those urging him to get help. Even tellin him how to get help.

    Making up more offenses and lies about those who see through his addiction to contention and recognizing that psudeo-concern over clean air is just the method to get his daily drug of choice -- contention.

    Notice how his lashing out still doesn't contain any proof, just accusations like it always does. Notice how it's designed to keep the level of contention high so he get's his "high."

    Notice how he doesn't refulte the truth when it's proven with truth.

    Notice how he turns words around and tries to make is sound like he doesn't understand the phrase "pick up the phone." A phrase common to the English vernacular for more than 50 years according to the OED. It doesn't mean waiting to be called. And's that's according to the formost authority on English. The OED.

    Notice how he ignores that which he cannot fight.

    Notice how he gets even angrier when his insults and feeble attepts to hurt people don't work, but just make them pity him more.

    We all see through the bravado, old broken man. Please get some help.

    I like how you tried to bring tithing into it, maybe adding religion would add more contention, but I don't care about your religiosity. That's between you and whomever you believe or don't belive in.

    The rest was what I predicted and not worth responding to. Prove me or keep exercising your first amendment right to lie, but whatever you do, get some help. Fast.

  • concerned posted at 1:21 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    NEWS FLASH!! Graffy C Reveals for the First time the Real Numbers.
    For the first time in History a self proclaimed authority on power plant pollution will refute the conventional wisdom about the dangers of power plants by using data HE has collected first hand..... In a statement released by Graffy Sep -11. He states -''My NUMBERS COME FROM REAL LIVE POWER PLANTS, NOT SOME MODELED AND PROJECTED STUDY''-'' Like Thann uses' For those not familiar with Thann , he uses such studies as the -''Harvard Six Cities study, the American Cancer Society Study. the Health Institute Study and information from the Clean Air Task Force.
    The world anxiously awaits the release of this vital new study conducted by such a renown researcher as the Graff.

  • concerned posted at 12:28 pm on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    Pick up the phone??? What does that mean,?? Who has been calling me? Have you???
    Graffy , you didn't answer my question as to how your numbers compare to that of the
    clean Air task Force. I doubt you have any numbers for power plants . If you do, give us the Deaths ,heart attacks asthma attacks hospital admissions, chronic bronchitis and Asthma ER visits. for IPP. ( AS PROOF) If you can't I think it proves you are a liar. Just a lot of hot air.
    Next show me the law where Nevco hands that money directly to the schools as you said. And that it does not come from the state.
    The world is waiting for Graffy to give us the ''REAL NUMBERS FROM REAL POWER PLANTS''. IPP is a REAL POWER PLANT lets start with their REAL NUMBERS that you claim you have, I am betting you are full of B.S.
    Say hi to your shrink graffy.

  • Grafx22 posted at 11:44 am on Wed, Sep 12, 2012.

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    Poor Thanny. I'm going to have to give an F for that reply.

    More accussations. No Proof. So, in other words, still lying your socks off.

    Still can't read. I told you where all the numbers came from. You're too much of a coward to independently verify them. Expecting me to do the work for you is just ludicrus. It would be like debating myself.

    Since you are too much of a coward to pick up the phone, that is a personal problem.

    Keep trying with the insults and names. You just look more stupid, if that's possible.

    I will give you one hint. take the real world value of a natural gas 580 megawatt power plant using Utah state and County assesment value laws take the number and figure out based on Sevier County's and the State's tax code what the real life taxable value is for the Coutny. Apply the county's property tax rate. 64.4% of property taxes go directly to the School Disctrict. Do the math and you get the number I posted. Real Numbers. Real Math. Using the correct tax codes. and a Real answer. Sorry. Prove it wrong if you can grow a backbone. But make sure you use real numbers from real events and real tax laws from our state and county. No guessing, modeling, coal power plants, etc. . . . only truth, if you're cabapable of knowing what truth is.

    If I had a shrink I would tell him hi. Seriously, the library holds free literaracy classes to help with your reading deficiencies, and the church has free therapy. There's no excuse for the way you are. Fix yourself. Have you no self respect?

    If you reply with lies. Ask questions that are already answered. Call names. Use insults. You will be ignored henceforth. You aren't worth, well I can't say it in polite comapny. You are a sad sad old bitter uninformed man in serious denial of the truth. You do your cause a disservice, but of course your cause isn't really clean air, it's a need to fill your day with contention, and we are your drug dealers. In this, you and your girlfriend are twins. It's called cognitive dissonance. Have someone who can read look it up and explain it to you, since you can't understand things on your own.

  • concerned posted at 11:58 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

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    Tell us Graffy.
    Where did that figure of $580,000 that is to ''GO DIRECTLY TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'' come from Graffy?? Please document ,lest we conclude it came from that of a sick mind.
    Say hi to your shrink Graffy.

  • concerned posted at 11:49 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

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    Graffy C.
    You say you didn't get anything from the Nevada Boy's? That $$$$ the school district was to receive is fresh out of the old Do It's play Book. Proven false ,but directly from the mouth of the Nevada Boy's.It is in print Graffy -One of their many lies.
    Your data only exists in your own sick mind Graffy.
    Did you go to a puke plant looking for dead bodies with a tag on their toe saying killed by a power plant?? Did you hear voices giving you this real data??
    Tell us Graffy , How does your numbers ''FROM REAL LIVE RUNNING POWER PLANTS '' compare to those of the Clean Air Task Force?? Hmmmmmm???
    To prove those numbers are only in the mind of a sick narcissist. I am calling you out, to show YOUR numbers for before posted by me ( as a comparison). I am betting you can't produce unless you copy from the said post.
    Oh! I forgot Graffy doesn't share his data- not even with his shrink. Ya gotta love the goofy Graff.
    Say hi to your shrink Graffy , and thank him for the free consultations.

  • Grafx22 posted at 3:22 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

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    SeriouslyThanny. That's the best you've got? Lies? Say hi to your shrink? Your data doesn't exist? You're beginning to really bore me. You can't even insult well. That was definitely a D- effort. Step it up next time. Remember, it's not just me your making an idiot of yourself for. Others are counting on you.

    Still can't read I see. Nope, never mentioned Nevco, don't have a single number from Nevco. There you go with the lying thing again. Please prove your accusation next time. My numbers come from a real live running power plant, not some modeled and projected study like you like to use. I prefer reality over conjecture, because, well, reallity is TRUE and provable, but conjecture is just college graduates guessing. It's hard to argue with reality. But watch, I am just waiting for your reply to call reality a lie. That's just messed up in the head, dude.

    Find someone who can read this and understand it well enough to explain it to you. I talked to the CFO in Virginia whose company owns a 580 megawatt Natural Gas Power Plant completed within the last two years. A forturne 500 company. Try talking to the CFO for verification.

    I notice that your reply is still missing proof. You obviously didn't call and verify the numbers. Shame on you. Since your lazy, you just shift into denial and lie. As usual. We keep talking about the concept of proof. Have whomever is reading this to you explain what proof is. Maybe you'll find some for your next pack of accusations/lies.

    You might also want to have them help you locate the phone numbers to UDOT's head office and the Public Relationships Vice President at the EPA. Give them a call. Be sure to tell them that all of their numbers are nothing but lies. Should go over like a pregnant pole vaulter. Now that wouldn't be so boring. Again, these are real live measurements of what's actually happening, not Dr. Moench style guessing.

    Come on, you psuedo-bully, who is terrified to make a couple of itty bitty phone calls. Try thinking on your own this time.

    I'll die from boredom long before the bad air will get me. In the meantime, your unhealthy obsession with my friend has him contemplating a restraining order, or something more public. Something that has to be printed in the paper. And yes, I'll tell him hi, you weirdo. I guess your just doing the best you can do considering your severe limitations.

    And no, I'm still not going to give you the numbers. You've got the sources. That's good enough. Still waiting for PROOF to back up your endless accusations. Until you have some, they just get ignored, like all the rest. Boring.

    p.s. get some help. soon. It's free from the church.

  • concerned posted at 12:50 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

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    Ask your shrink to diagnose a person who thinks he has some kind of special data that the world wants. ( When in reality no such data exists except in his own sick mind)
    Say Hi to your shrink Graffy.

  • concerned posted at 12:02 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

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    To the Graffy
    You don't have any data of value because none has ever been collected . So why would I want your foolishness Hmmm ??? Your conclutions are about as accurate as your foolish statements on how the schools are funded. Getting numbers from Nevco's propaganda is hardly valid information. Tell us Graffy was that Data you used from that power plant- that was developed at BYU,? A coal plant, a Gas plant or that hydro plant the Nevada Boy's filed for Hmmmmmm?? How do you prove this kind of foolishness wrong Hmmm?
    Ya gotta love the way the graffy only shows his conjured up return figures (where ever they came from) and NEVER shows the costs of producing pollution. Things like the costs of death, heart attacks,asthma attacks, hospital admissions,chronic bronchitis, asthma ER visits, etc. What will be the costs to the farmers when plant productivity goes down because of added pollution ?? ( It like that of human health works from a ''LINEAR'' principle.)
    Does any one in there right mind believe that Graffy has any data of value?? Only in his sick narcissistic mind are his numbers of any value.
    One more time Graffy , I don't want your silly data. IT IS OF NO VALUE!!
    Say hi to your shrink Graffy.

  • Grafx22 posted at 5:48 pm on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

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    Poor Poor Thanny. Not being able to look something up on the internet must be sheer torture. Look at how many times he screamed LIES!!!. I'll bet you he thinks it's a lie.

    I also remember telling him that I would NEVER give him my data. So he's gonna have to prove me wrong the hard way. Yup, there was something missing from his childish come apart. And that was proof that I was wrong. or lied. or whatever. Just saying it doesn't make it true. There's that nasty proof thing again. Like you're fond of saying: Prove Me Wrong.

    By the way, I called in a few business favors and got the numbers directly from the CFO of the multibillion dollar corporation who owns the power plant. I figured if anyone new the correct numbers, it might be the Chief Financial Officer of the company. Now, if you can even get past the secretary, I dare you to call and get the numbers yourself and prove me wrong. I've given you the source of the data, the ball's in your court.

    Oh yeah, be sure to tell the CFO of the company that the numbers they gave me out of their books and that they publish in their prospectus on Wall Street are nothing but lies. I'm sure that they'll be really helpful then. Good luck you sad, sad man. Get ready for more numbers you won't like, cuz there coming.

    If I had a shrink, I'd gladly tell him hi for you. Right now, I just know a group of shrinks that think you're a royal mess. I will say hi to them for you. They'll find that very passive agressive of you. Keep flinging the insults, maybe one of them will stick some day. I'll give you a C for effort.

  • concerned posted at 12:38 pm on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

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    why don't these counties just build more pukers or add on ?? Delta decided not to . How come ???? Say hi to your shrink graffy.

  • concerned posted at 12:34 pm on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

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    Lies, Graffy. Lies Lies Lies
    Where do you come up with these pack of lies. Hmmmmm? The Nevada Boy's started that lie that the schools would get money directly handed to them. If that were the case, the Sevier School District would loose that much in state funds. Pat Wilson clearly explained tho the Commissioners how that works, but the Do It's still keep perpetuating the big lie Get the true facts Graffy and stop your lies.
    Say hi to your shrink Graffy.

  • Grafx22 posted at 10:49 am on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

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    For the record, I'm not against green energy either. Love the idea.

    I'm also not against the estimated $1.2 Billion that is to be spent locally during the construction phase and first 10 years of operation. (This data is based on Natural Gas Plant of equal size just completed in Virginia)

    I am also not against the estimated $580,000 that will go directly to Sevier School district yearly after plant completion. (The number is based on the same Virginia plant, but adjusted for Sevier County property tax rates.)

    Nor am I against the estimated 700 full time 4-6 year construction jobs or the secondary support jobs that will be created and the money paid in salaries and benefits during those years directly into local homes and businesses. Not to mention the tax base.

    This is just a taste of why the counties around us love their power plants. Why every Carbon, Juab, and Emery county official told me independently that if we didn’t want the power plant, they would gladly take it.

    Tell me one other economic project that will put this kind of growth into our county and only put out 16.4% as much air pollution as the automobile traffic on I-70 and Highway 89 put out in Sevier County yearly. If anyone’s afraid of air pollution, I suggest they put their energy into automobile pollution; a much greater threat to Sevier County that this power plant can ever be.

    I’m serious. Name one other thing we can do to impact our economy as much. For such a small cost.

    While were putting up windmills and covering roofs with solar panels, it'll do.

  • concerned posted at 9:30 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

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    How many times have you heard me say that we will need Fossil fuel for years to come???Does that mean we should pick the worst locations in the state to pollute? Places that are very unsafe ???? Like I have said before , If we had no choice but to burn coal - we should choose locations with large air-sheds and away from populated areas. An area only 8 miles wide ,with high mountains on three sides with winter inversions is the worst of choices. Especially when we don't need more dirty pukers in central Utah ..We already produce far more energy than we need. It is time to transition to cleaner ,safer more economical energy. We are paying to great a price by producing puke when we don't need to.

  • Glenn Stoneman posted at 6:39 pm on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

    Glenn Stoneman Posts: 216

    To Concerned...

    Newsflash, I am not against green energy. At this point in time they can't replace coal or NG on the same scale.

  • concerned posted at 8:46 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    concerned Posts: 1001

    I wonder who Graffy is checking up on and obsessing over today???????
    Tell your shrink hi for me Graffy.

  • concerned posted at 8:34 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    concerned Posts: 1001

    Dr. Fate
    Was your first sentence your opinion?? Many communities have CHOSEN to produce pollution and live near it and pay the health price for such a decision.Sigurd was not one of those communities. In two different polls they voted over 90% not to want to live near a dangerous puke plant. You are so dumb that you think we don't have any choice but to produce pollution and live next to it. If dirty coal were our only choice to produce energy We should find a large air-shed that is not populated. Not a small small air-shed with inversions and in a populated area. Is that concept to advanced for you Do It's??? We have close to a 75 mile stretch of a non populated area between the Natural gas source near Scipio and Sigurd. One of the largest air-sheds in the State is west toward Delta...A VAST NON POPULATED AREA........Thus minimizing the suffering you speak of. ( AND IT'S RIGHT ON THE PIPE LINE)
    But rather than to build the Gas puker on the Gas line in a NON POPULATED AREA , these dumb Do Its want to build yet another gas line 75 miles out of the way and run it down to a small air -shed with inversions,mountains on three sides and within 2 miles of a 183 homes. What a bunch of geniuses. Keep in mind Dr. Dumb.....Utah already produces 38% more energy than it needs. THE LIGHTS WILL NOT GO OUT IN LYMAN.
    Burning fossil fuels is not the only way to produce energy. Just ask the people in Millard County who are getting rich with their wind mills or the people in Iron County with their solar project.Read the Synergy study and learn which is best for our economy.With good planning NO ONE SHOULD SUFFER.
    Can you see how silly your post of Tues. Sep. 4 is????
    I know , it is the best the Do It's can do
    Ya gotta love it baby!!

  • Dr Fate posted at 4:00 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    So basically, health effects of coal power plants are okay to inflict on other populations, just now ours. Gotcha. It's immoral to have people in our valley suffer, but not people outside of our valley.

  • concerned posted at 2:33 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    Graffy's obsessions
    Takes Thann's posts to his shrink, checks his car, His house and what he owes on his house . obsesses over Bonavita , has secret data that shows that pollution is safe, and this sicko thinks others want his data?? You have got to be kidding.
    He needs more trips to his shrink.

  • Grafx22 posted at 1:38 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Grafx22 Posts: 115

    Thann is a man of contradictions. Now he's whining about being projected on (like that's even psychologically possible) labeled and rationaalized (as if it's possible to rationalize another person.) See, he doesn't even use the words correctly. When he is the king of doing the very things he's crying about.

    Another examople, for a man who swears he doesn’t want my research and data, he sure finds a way to obsess about them in every post. For someone that swears nobody would want them, he’s just a drooling about them in every post. That’s called lying. I wonder why he thinks telling lies will hurt me or why he even believes I care enough about what he says that I’ll even be bothered.

    My psychiatrist buddy loves reading his posts. I take him the previous week's wortht each time we have lunch. He and his colleagues read them at work. You should know by now that if I say something is psychological, it’s because I’ve got the proof that it is. Unlike Thann’s multiplicity of claims and lack of proof. Oh yeah, a claim without proof is an opinion, unless the author insists it’s true, then it’s just another lie.

    Keep up the good work Thann. Many people enjoy the show.

  • concerned posted at 1:26 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    To Graffy Of the Do It Party.
    Is a desire for clean air a Democrat agenda??? Is the desire to have good health a Democrat agenda? Dirty air and bad health is a Do It agenda.
    Put that in your stealth data book.

  • concerned posted at 12:17 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    Using Stoneman's Do It Logic,

    Using Do It logic , none of you local Do It's can vote for Mitt, because he favors GREEN RENEWABLE ENERGY. ( as well as other forms of energy)
    Right Stoneman?

  • concerned posted at 12:06 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

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    To the Dumb Do It's
    You Do it''s need to educate yourselves. All you have been able to do the past ten years is ''project , rationalize and label me . You never listen to what I say -the best you can do is attack and label It's the best a Do It can do.
    How many times have you heard me say that in this point in time we need coal fired power plants??? However, Not in one of the smallest air-sheds in the state. In a deep valley only 8 miles wide with high mountains on three sides and predisposed to inversions. Only a Do It would choose to place a puker right next to 183 Homes. With vast open , unpopulated areas in this state only a Do It would recommend such stupidity. It is that kind of stupidity that gives Republicans a bad name with some people. Many people have concluded that Republicans want Dirty air and water. Most intelligent Republicans know better.. Only the Bird Witted Do It's subscribe to such dim witted decision making.
    It is clear that the local Do it's have NOT been listening to Mitt's speeches. Yes, Graffy Mitt does support coal as well as most other sources of power, and that includes GREEN RENEWABLE ENERGY.
    Our country is in a Mess. We will need Coal and gas plants for years to come -But must we act like Do It's and place them in the worst locations WE CAN FIND?? Hmmmmmm???
    I guess you Do It's out there have read Graffy's Data from a nonexistent air quality station , ( No doubt located on main street in Richfield) along with the Health studies no one can find. I wonder if Mitt has formed his opinions on Graffy's stealth data. Hmmmmm??
    Ya gotta love that Do It mentality.

  • Grafx22 posted at 10:04 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Grafx22 Posts: 115

    Yeah, I’ve never understood how he reconciles his pure Democrat environmentalist agenda, with his dyed in the wool Republican beliefs. By supporting Mitt Romeny, he is indeed supporting Coal Power. Such internal dissonance is extremely damaging to one’s psyche.

  • Grafx22 posted at 7:57 pm on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Grafx22 Posts: 115

    Oh, look, I think I made poor old Thann mad. The guilty take the truth to be hard, don’t they? And he did exactly what I said that he would do again. He made accusations without proof, which is another way to say he lied. He TRIED to mock me and my own hard work because you can’t have it. He TRIED to attack me personally, and he called me names. Oh yeah, the insults too. . All without PROOF again, like usual. It’s the best that he can do, and it’s all he’s done it again for ten years. I feel sorry for him. Pure pity. He didn’t hurt me or bother me. I have my truthful answers. He has other people’s summaries. He should live the talk. Walk the walk. Get a Chevy volt and sit in the dark and freeze. Show he believe what he says he believes, or he should shut up, and stop attacking people trying to have a progressive discussion which moves beyond the same thing he’s said for a decade. A truly pitiable thing. Keep throwing the insults Thann. They don’t make you believable, just sad. Here’s another lie, he asks who would want my research. Go back and read his posts demanding that I tell it to him. Where and how I got it. Apparently, he wants it, or he’s a liar.

  • Glenn Stoneman posted at 10:33 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

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    Do you realize that by supporting Mitt Romney you are supporting coal fired power?

  • concerned posted at 11:02 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    concerned Posts: 1001

    Who wants it
    Why would anyone want data from a sick narcissist ?? Data gathered with out the use of a air quality station. Data with out any health studies. Data that can only be found in that of a sick mind.? Talk about crazy.......

  • concerned posted at 10:53 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

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    Graffy is a liar
    Only a Do It can't be concerned about more than one thing at the same time. Of course I am concerned about social Security and Medicare. That is why I have made several financial donations to the Romney campaign.
    It's not ''INSTEAD HE IS OBSESSED'' it is he is ALSO OBSESSED with the health , safety and welfare of this small community. Something a Do It could care less about.
    Only a Do It would choose one of the smallest air-sheds in the state to place a puke plant. Only a Do it would choose a narrow valley only 8 miles wide with high mountains on three sides to produce pollution. Only a Goofy person would chose to place the large puker next to 183 homes. Only Do It's would resist finding out the truth about the dangers of such a stupid decision.
    The Goofy Graff talks about being ''OBSESSED' What nerve, this is the same person that can't write five lines with out bashing Bonavita or Thann. This is the same sick person who goes out of his way to check out every little detail of Thann's life. How much he owes on his home , the mileage he gets on his car. ALL OF THIS so he can use PROJECTION in his fight for more pollution.
    Worse than that , Graffy is a liar. He accuses Thann of saying that ''UFP's IS GOING TO MAKE THE AIR CLEANER'' ( what a lie)This kind of behavior from the sicko would only serve to make more people hate him if he only had the GUTS TO USE HIS REAL NAME. Could it be that the sicko is on the payroll for the Nevada Boy's? What other motivation would account for the Graffy OBSESSIONS of Bonavita and Thann? Hmmmmmmm????

  • Grafx22 posted at 1:27 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Grafx22 Posts: 115

    Thann has the ignorance to call someone a loon, so apathy must be his favorite of the two. This is ironic because he’s guilty of both. He’s apathetic about the things he should be adamant about, like what’s happening to social security and Medicare. How Medicare will cost three times as much in 2015, and what’s being said in the Republican Convention right now,

    Instead, he is obsessed about a power plant that is only going to be 15.4% as polluting as the freeway and Highway 89 are in Sevier County yearly. You think he’d be driving a Chevy Volt and lining his roof with photovoltaic panels, and sacrificing by sitting home in the dark and freezing during the winter rather than run his natural gas furnace and electric lights. That’s what someone dedicated to clean air and water would do. But instead, he believes calling names and making fun, and running at the mouth about UFP’s, is going to make the air cleaner. Newsflash: it only makes more people hate him. If he keeps it up, he’ll get the same front page sendoff that his girlfriend got. That’s not a threat; it’s a statement of fact. It’s sad when a town is so tired of an idiot that they take up a collection and buy her trailer because she promised to leave it was sold.

    And no. I will NOT give you my data. It took months of hard work to collect. I didn’t get it from a nice little study summary. I read hundreds of research papers, proposals, and studies. I worked and collected and calculated and visited non internet sites, and I’ll die before you get your hands on it. Can I make that any clearer?

    And you can say that I’m lying and don’t have it or anything else you want, it won’t motivate me the least to share it with you. I’ve told you approximately when it was collected, and I’ve given you a laundry list of where to go to get numbers and how to calculate which ones, and even how to graph them. The rest is up to you. So splutter and accuse and lie all you want, the answer is, eternally, NO. This is the last time I’ll even acknowledge it.

    All you’re going to get from me is more PROOF that you are a liar and a welcher, so everyone knows exactly whom they are dealing with.

  • concerned posted at 10:30 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

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    Is ignorance worse than apathy??
    Take the Lyman loon for example as he compares the unavoidable forest fires to that of a puke plant which will run 24-7 365 days out of the year, and placed right nest to 183 homes for the next 40 years....... To the Loon......... before you start running your uneducated mouth about UFP perhaps you should learn a bit about how the larger particles (from forest fires) act as magnets to draw up the ultra fines. You may also want to learn how the body responds to the UFP as opposed to the larger particles.
    As you can see the Loon is up to his old mental trick of projection. It makes him feel real good that there are other sources of pollution to talk about -even though he is ignorant of the facts.
    It's the best a Do It can do.

  • Parachute posted at 4:58 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

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    I think many people enjoy the beauty of the area, and are dismayed by the horrible air pollution from fires far away. Air pollution can be prevented, but it requires the will of the people to do it. And those people have to do it because they care.
    Some of the people I talk to tell me "I just don't care.".. Sure don't know how to combat apathy. If they don't love their kids and grandkids enough to care about the world they live in, I see no hope.

  • Chapster posted at 4:41 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

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    But the NEW question is, "HOW MUCH UFP does it have?" How are we going to stop THIS from harming everyone? After all, ALL POLLUTION is bad, so someone has to be held accountable.

  • concerned posted at 9:56 am on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

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    A power plant runs 24-7 --365 days out of the year- for 40 years.

  • Sam Morgan posted at 9:17 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

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    Thank you for that commentary Mr Obvious!!!!